I talked to Joe and he said it would not be an issue to post. I want all to know this takes some expertise and mod of parts to work. It is the logical next step to FF power or yoke cables. The benifits are huge.

















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Bob,

Do you think some mini rollers would be beneficial on the cable guard?

And would other models be possible? I'm thinking about potential abrasion points, specifically the grip groove.

Looks interesting.
Lyle

Lyle, I could put this on any Oneida but it would have to be the same outside of the riser setup as on the Extreme.

You could use a roller guard but I am not seeing any wear in that area and the bow is shooting awesome.

Looks interestings, what would the true benefit be, as you get creep on most strings, especially where served also prestretched and all the other issues surrounding strings.
Please can you give some more technical back up on the advantages
cheers

The main advantage is the system is direct drive. There is no slack at any point when the system is drawn or shot.

That makes the bow more tunable and accurate shot to shot, this should eliminate the teeter effect on some of the bows.

THe bow stays in time and because there is no slack it will not go out of tiller

Cables are a no creep issue if built to my specs.

They lock the system together so there are no issues between the timing and shot cycle......................everything is on fliud motion with no slack in the system.



Bob

What is/are the issue/issues with the current timing cable? No creep, stays in tiller, or am I missing something?

String material seems like a possible alternative to stainless cables, but what are the benefits?

Cable life? Unless there is a burr, or other point causing abrasion, cables last. The same burr would surely damage string material.

Tiller. String material has come a long way over the years. But with the pressure it would be under at normal draw weights, how long before creep ends? Similar to peep rotation on many strings. This may not be a big thing, but it would require constant tiller checks and weight bolt adjustments, in my opinion.

The true test, as with any new design or product, is to put it through an unbiased testing period. Not for 100 shots indoors, but long term, under normal shooting conditions. And, for a period of time that ensures any flaws will be noticed before being offered to the public.

I've said it before, but Loomis' Stealth release is a great example of something with potential being released before it had been put through the paces.

Just my thoughts.
Lyle

One other consideration is the serving. With new string materials, they do not fray or show the signs of breakdown as older materials did. Could damage, broken strands, remain hidden beneath the serving? With steel cables, you can visibly see problems.

This was discussed with another owner when they talked about a rubber covering over the power cables. Being able to see the cable condition is important to me.

Lyle

Lyle, please do not missunderstand the current system works well. And if properly tuned it will tiller and keep specs over time. I would however have you prove to me that even a perfectly set up Oneida timing system with the steel timing cable does not have a give/take slack in the system. Kind of like a milling machine table on a box thread.............back lash occurs when there is a change in direction.



The new materials today have a break strength of 120 pounds+ per strand. There are 20 strands in a bundle. Now double that because the full cable goes down both sides of the limb..............that is over 2 Tons of pull strength at each end of the bow. And the cable is lighter than a steel one. Moving mass weight is a energy user.




Quality Control is everything and I know that because I am a retired Autoworker. Again todays material for strings is by far able to withstand treking through thick narrly brush and there is more of it exposed on a wheel bow than needed to drive an Oneida.



Creep sets in within the first 50 shots, the fad today of pre-stretch is a good money maker but its advantage in my books is lees than 1% of the life of the string. You build under tension to increase serving life and stability. I have over 600 shots through the bow and have not had to reset anything, believe me I am amazed and that takes a bit.



I could not agree more. I test the hell out of everything. This bow will have well over 2000 shots through it before it leaves my hands. I have already nailed down a few issues and corrected them. It also taught me a new way to serve that surrpasses what is done in the industry today. I would tell any company looking at this that you better have your ducks in a row before trying to sell this. Public safety is all our concerns.



Again I can not agree with you more and you know who I am with that history. The Stealth was a dangerous bow in less than capable hands and still is today no matter what form it may be in.



It requires a special serve to protect from leaving the main strings open. Even with that after 600+ shots the main strings still track in the groves as designed into the system for either material. Any material can terminate at any time wear or not. I am seeing the signs of use but have to this point not seen abuse so I would say at this point the system is well within the safety factors or above. If a strand did break you would see it very quickly in the exposed string as it would pull in the bundle but not return with relaxing the bow to rest position.



Rubber would increase in diameter the cable and would need a revamp of current cam builds. I built the three systems and they are dual usage...........you can go back to steel cables.

Lyle, I as you can see I do my homework. I am not saying we should run to this but it does work with a host of benifits. It is a proggression from the current great systems Oneida has on there bows. I just believe it is worth a look.

Bob

Thanks Bob. I tend to type as I'm thinking through different possibilities.

It just amazes me, with other style of compounds, that it is recommended strings/cables be replaced yearly - for some of the points I threw out above.

It would be fun to put some arrows through, to get a feel and see how it does.

Lyle

Great questions Lyle and they are the ones that should be asked.

As for other Compounds you would under normal use get 7000+ shots before they need to be change. Rough conditions or Competition shooting would or could lessen that life. Good maintance would also lengthen the life of the strings as we all know.

It is very smooth and I believe in the testing should show good life under normal to heavy shooting conditions.



Bob

Upate on the system, over 400 shots on the cable and Zero issues. Bow is as it was when I first set it. In time with no slack. I will change the length on it a bit to allow for more room in the takeup hub.

Bob

Sounds great Bob, and thanks for the update. But I still think you should be safe, and ensure the atmospheric changes in Fond du Lac won't have any negative effects on the material. Just to be sure.. Lyle

Sad to say I am no longer welcome in Fond Du Lac as I was very critical of the Poutine they served there....................seems they get very angery when you ask for tums before you eat

No worries though I have a back up in Bugwash Manitoba to do climatic tests

I will keep you up on results!

OBwon i like that you could change the timing and the power cables to ff material. would like to chat you in the chat room or on the phone if possible? have many questions to ask.

Be a pleasure talking with you in the chat room

Bob