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What is/are the issue/issues with the current timing cable? No creep, stays in tiller, or am I missing something?
Lyle, please do not missunderstand the current system works well. And if properly tuned it will tiller and keep specs over time. I would however have you prove to me that even a perfectly set up Oneida timing system with the steel timing cable does not have a give/take slack in the system. Kind of like a milling machine table on a box thread.............back lash occurs when there is a change in direction.
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String material seems like a possible alternative to stainless cables, but what are the benefits?
The new materials today have a break strength of 120 pounds+ per strand. There are 20 strands in a bundle. Now double that because the full cable goes down both sides of the limb..............that is over 2 Tons of pull strength at each end of the bow. And the cable is lighter than a steel one. Moving mass weight is a energy user.
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Cable life? Unless there is a burr, or other point causing abrasion, cables last. The same burr would surely damage string material.
Quality Control is everything and I know that because I am a retired Autoworker. Again todays material for strings is by far able to withstand treking through thick narrly brush and there is more of it exposed on a wheel bow than needed to drive an Oneida.
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Tiller. String material has come a long way over the years. But with the pressure it would be under at normal draw weights, how long before creep ends? Similar to peep rotation on many strings. This may not be a big thing, but it would require constant tiller checks and weight bolt adjustments, in my opinion.
Creep sets in within the first 50 shots, the fad today of pre-stretch is a good money maker but its advantage in my books is lees than 1% of the life of the string. You build under tension to increase serving life and stability. I have over 600 shots through the bow and have not had to reset anything, believe me I am amazed and that takes a bit.
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The true test, as with any new design or product, is to put it through an unbiased testing period. Not for 100 shots indoors, but long term, under normal shooting conditions. And, for a period of time that ensures any flaws will be noticed before being offered to the public.
I could not agree more. I test the hell out of everything. This bow will have well over 2000 shots through it before it leaves my hands. I have already nailed down a few issues and corrected them. It also taught me a new way to serve that surrpasses what is done in the industry today. I would tell any company looking at this that you better have your ducks in a row before trying to sell this. Public safety is all our concerns.
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I've said it before, but Loomis' Stealth release is a great example of something with potential being released before it had been put through the paces.
Again I can not agree with you more and you know who I am with that history. The Stealth was a dangerous bow in less than capable hands and still is today no matter what form it may be in.
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One other consideration is the serving. With new string materials, they do not fray or show the signs of breakdown as older materials did. Could damage, broken strands, remain hidden beneath the serving? With steel cables, you can visibly see problems.
It requires a special serve to protect from leaving the main strings open. Even with that after 600+ shots the main strings still track in the groves as designed into the system for either material. Any material can terminate at any time wear or not. I am seeing the signs of use but have to this point not seen abuse so I would say at this point the system is well within the safety factors or above. If a strand did break you would see it very quickly in the exposed string as it would pull in the bundle but not return with relaxing the bow to rest position.
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This was discussed with another owner when they talked about a rubber covering over the power cables. Being able to see the cable condition is important to me.
Rubber would increase in diameter the cable and would need a revamp of current cam builds. I built the three systems and they are dual usage...........you can go back to steel cables.
Lyle, I as you can see I do my homework. I am not saying we should run to this but it does work with a host of benifits. It is a proggression from the current great systems Oneida has on there bows. I just believe it is worth a look.
BobStatistics: Posted by OBwon — Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:23 am
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